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Talman Orser

John M. McDonald interview — 1850-10-17 — Ossining, New York

From the Westchester County Historical Society catalog:
Talman Orser (1766-1862), whose first name is usually spelled Tolman, begins his interview by discussing Twitching’s Corners in Mount Pleasant, and notes that the house in which he resides was raided by Refugees who stole horses and cattle. He states that when Loyalist Major Mansfield Bearmore was captured in November 1779, Colonel Charles Armand took him off personally. The Orser family suffered so much while residing in present-day Ossining that they moved to Yorktown, where they hosted the Westchester Guides. Orser also discusses an incident when a group of women led by Sarah Orser attacked a tea peddler and forced him to sell them his tea for Continental money. (Other accounts in the McDonald Interviews indicate that Talman Orser’s mother, Elizabeth Pugsley Orser, led the tea party.) He concludes by discussing Colonel Armand and Armand’s Legion.

Original findings from this interview

Sarah Orser, not Elizabeth Pugsley Orser, named as Tea Raid leader
Talman, the only direct family witness in the McDonald collection, identifies the leader as Sarah Orser, wife of Albert Orser — not his own mother. The 'Elizabeth Pugsley Orser' attribution comes from the WCHS catalog's editorial reconciliation, not from any primary source in McDonald's own notebooks.
→ See 20 Original Research
James Dunlap, Irish tea peddler, named as the target
Talman names a specific Irish tea peddler, James Dunlap, as the target of the women's raid. James Dunlap has never appeared in any published Teatown history.
→ See 06 Westchester Tea Party
The Tea Raid was a roadway ambush, not a farmhouse raid
Talman locates the incident 'about three miles above the old church on the N. R. Turnpike on the road' — a deliberate ambush of a peddler in transit, not a raid on John Arthur's farm at Teatown. They 'lay in wait for him.'
→ See 06 Westchester Tea Party
15-20 women, not 30
Talman puts the number of women at 'fifteen or twenty' — half the figure used in modern Teatown narratives.
→ See 06 Westchester Tea Party
Talman gave his age as 82 in 1850
WCHS catalogs Talman as 1766–1862, which would make him 84. The manuscript is unambiguous: 'aged 82.' Either his memory or the catalog is off by two years.
→ See 20 Original Research
Bearmore commanded the Kipp cattle raid on the Orser farm
Talman names Bearmore — Mansfield Bearmore, the Loyalist major — as the commanding officer of the cattle raid that took 200 head of horses and cattle from the area, including 20 head from the Orser farm specifically.
→ See 06 Westchester Tea Party
Eyewitness physical description of Colonel Charles Armand
Talman describes Armand as 'a stout, square built, black looking man. He wore a heavy black beard which, with whiskers and moustaches, increased the darkness of his appearance.' A rare period eyewitness portrait of the French volunteer.

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Transcription

resides at 65 Stanton St, but am not certain. She is a daughter of Jabez Sherwood of the Log-Bridge over the Byram, is about 80 years old, and must know the Revolutionary transactions of her native neighborhood.

Oct. 17th Talman Orser, of Ossining, aged 82 : "There were four corners at Twitchings during the Revolutionary war formed by the White Plains and Pines Bridge road and the [marg: North Castle] Bedford and Tarrytown road near the Poor House was a road used before the Revolutionary war.

I was born in the house where I now live. The Refugees under the Kipps, Sam'l. and James, used to come up and sweep off our cattle. Once they took off as many as 200 head of horses and cattle, and about twenty head from this place owned by my father and grandfather. *Bearmore* commanded on this occasion.

When Armand took Bearmore he secured him upon his own horse behind him, being unwilling to trust him with any other person.

When the Refugees had taken our cattle and furniture, we moved to Yorktown where the following West Chester Guides boarded with us, viz: The two Dyckmans, Brom and Mike, the two Oakleys, Cornelius and James, John Pine, and Mark Post.

There was a party of women about here who in the beginning of the war attacked a Tea pedlar and an Irishman named James Dunlap, and compelled him to sell tea to them for continental money. Their number was fifteen or twenty. They lay in wait for him about three miles above the old church on the N. R. [marg: New Rochelle? North River] Turnpike on the road. They got as much as they wanted for the present —

They were commanded by Sarah Orser, wife of Albert Orser, who lived about a mile from here.

Colonel Armand's cavalry was well mounted on large fine horses from Pensacola or the South. Benjamin Orser and Daniel Orser two of his privates of the horse were from hereabouts.

I don't know whether James Requa's house was burnt when he was taken. He lived on the Bedford road about two miles from Tarrytown.

Armand himself was a stout, square built, black looking man. He wore a heavy black beard which, with whiskers and moustaches, increased the darkness of his appearance."